Episode 3 - Ellis Fishes and talks about stuff

Man. Action.

You know, there's little,

movie scene clips.

Whatever the fuck those things are called.

The boards
that have, like, the C number on it.

God, those would be helpful.

Doing something.

That people do.

That seems like a good idea.

Would be helpful.

Well, Cattleman's was,

just another night of

another night of fun stuff.

I didn't sleep.

I slept from, like, 6 a.m.

to 10 a.m..

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

We are.

Unintelligent.

Uninformed, and,

Not healthy.

We are fishing.

We might fish with flies.

We might fish with lures.

We might fish musky flies.

I don't know.

I cannot say for sure.

I have seen some fish rising,

which, to the layman,

to the layperson,

means that

there are trout
eating little bugs on the surface.

I brought
some little magnets and superglue

so that I can get some tools set up here.

I'll just go ahead and forget about that
until I get home

and start fishing.

It is cold,

cold there.

I should say I'm going to put my boat
plug in.

Like 40 something degrees

here.

Couple gusts. Winds that

come, gusts of wind

winds.

Plural.

The winds.

Gusts of wind.

But simply the wind.

I guess those are different.

So there have been some gusts.

Check this out.

This is a tackle box from

the gentleman at the,

Look at that.

Yeah.

A little trouble hanging off the back.

Let me talk to you guys about hook gaps.

The game.

That is a.

Tackle box from the dude at.

A waste convenience station.

I'm all jammed up.

Where you can take household goods or.

Oh, Jesus.

We're in.

Anyways, I used my boat because I had
a bunch of shit I need to throw away.

Just piling up and moving.

Other stuff.

So I was unloading it.

Unloading my trailer,

which, again,
just using my boat as a trailer.

What effective.

Obviously getting some love.

I want to put either the teak or the gray.

Sea deck.

I went with the cheap

option, like the Amazon special.

It had good reviews.

I mean, it's

from a functionality standpoint.

Certainly does its job.

But, I don't like the diamond pattern.

It it holds too much water and dirt

and and I know,

but it was when you care about dirt,

it's just,

I do,

but I have to pick my battles.

So mostly I don't,

because I find other things
to be more important.

So if I can get something to minimize

the shit that I,

you know, kind of worry about,
but not really,

then I don't have to worry about it
at all.

And one of the reasons
why dirt on a jet boat, for example,

is something to not worry about is like,
what the fuck you going to do?

My buddy Clay gets in my boat.

And this is

this is somewhat early on.

And for the record,

yeah, I do feel like a doofus

wearing a fucking camera on my head

and talking to myself.

I am confident.

Buddy Clay gets in my boat

a couple of years back.

Partying like a jackass.

And he goes, you can tell

this boss gets fished in the drift boat.

And I was like,

what do you mean?

Like, no, it's a good thing.

You get in some God boats
and they're all clean.

I was like, all right,

fucking can't do shit about it either way.

I could clean it every single time.

But oh,

I saw weight coming off that bank.

You get caught up in the top water.

Top water

from Mattel.

Boy, that did not take long.

We we are so far gone.

What with me being tired and all,
I was like,

oh, God.

My being sick.

I've trips the next three days.

Shout out Bart!

As an animal,

tomorrow is never made good by focusing

on the

some bullshit about today.

That some

I feel like from his body.

But he's got more than one of those.

That's my anchor system.

To 10 pound plates from the thrift store.

And again, it's like,
what do you want to do?

All right, so the whole point of this.

Come fish with me.

Website is Ellis Ward flies.com.

You can find more information there.

You can listen to fishing reports,

both from me and from

other individuals.

Like Matt Riley
who sounds on that fishing report.

He sounds like he's normal.

I assure you, he is not.

That's on the articular fly.

I'm not sure if I said that,
so come fish with me.

It is Thanksgiving and.

January and February

are starting to feel like I have,
you know, probably a half dozen dates

or more.

And that's nice, because,

I want to do this again for,

oh, like, advertise for the

greatest fishing.

I don't know, there's
a certain degree of me that.

Has felt,

I don't know

when I look back on not advertising more

and and simultaneously

complaining about being so broke,
I didn't really complain.

I didn't victimize myself.

It just shit was fucking hard.

And and I was out fishing a lot
because that's

that's what I wanted to learn
by being out on the water.

And yet I wasn't advertising
and not having trips

and then seeing other people get trips.

And, you know, I was pretty sour grapes
about some of the outfitters given, oh,

out of state guys.

You know,

a bunch of trips when they never even
fished these waters and X, Y and Z.

It's just it's a different
product. I was immature,

So yeah, the my sort of push to

to get January and February booked up.

Because October was I mean, God.

Newborn

girlfriend delivered October 20th.

I had trips booked.

I thought in a responsible way

that was a fucking wild.

She was.

Everything was normal
and getting ultrasounds.

Every week.

It's her first kid.

Everything's healthy.

Weekly ultrasounds and.

At 38 weeks, they were like,

yeah, you need to go to the hospital.

I was just getting done with the trip
that day.

I had like five in a row
and then one day off and then six more,

and then I wasn't.

No more trips for three weeks.

Well.

I guess there's a couple different ways
to look at this.

One is,

as outcast says,

you can plan a pre picnic,

but you can't predict the weather.

Miss Jackson.

Ten times out of nine.

So there's a couple different ways
to look at it.

Thousands of ways to kill cats and

it was just it was a lot.

Ended up being awesome.

I had a day with.

Like some.

Oh, gee.

Oh, gee whiz,

some.

Oh, gee, regular clients
like regular clients.

When you're guiding on your own,

I guess all guiding.

But, man.

I've talked about Brian before,

but it's just like
it feels so fucking good.

There's it's not just, oh, I can get
groceries because it really that was,

you know, I was
I was fucking broke a shit.

It's not just the getting groceries
part is this.

Like, I would tie flies

on a quote unquote

production level, like doing orders
for musky fall and shout out to.

And Jen,

and folks there and.

I'm just I'm not great at production time

because I.

Because I don't focus on being good at it.

I'm not going to make excuses there.

It's just like

it takes.

It it takes.

I have been good at it.

It takes organization and, you know,
thoughtful preparation and all this stuff.

And a clean workspace.

And I just

do not see
black clouds coming over the Mound Ridge.

And I was like, oh my God.

I put my daughter's

blackout curtains

in my tiny room.

I know I said, this is how many people?

Because I see that frog coming in. Is,

oh shit.

Well, that bitch isn't going at all.

I suspect my battery's dead.

Note to self

charge that tonight.

All right.

I'm good.

I'm for here.

Free ball in.

That basically means that.

I need to be fish in the frog water.

It's kind of a pain in the dick, but

that's life.

So, yeah.

Couple my

Brian and Bill came and we fished

spin gear on the South Holston,

and they're both

there.

They're both just great anglers.

And, yeah, Brian found me.

Through purchasing a fly from Muskie from.

It was just a unique the Kimbo Slice.

That was during, excuse the noise here,

because we have to get my engine started.

Right.

Brian found me because he.

He got a Kimbo Slice, which was during.

That wasn't the greatest design version.

And for those.

Of you just listening,

I'm going about

85 miles an hour.

For those of you watching and see what

my fish fires, that was on my mind

that on the battery.

Line.

I have no fucking bass
or some of that shit.

Got down.

Goddamn it.

Feels good.

I really can't fish much up here, but.

And. And.

Yeah.

I mostly want to fish below this.

So even though it would be

good viewing.

To run off all that shit,

I'm not going to.

Yell!

I am re tying my chain.

I should say putting another one on
because.

So we're going to end up going back up

just a little bit.

This is where the trolling motor is.

I mean realistically,
I've already told myself

that,

I'm not going to fish

without the trolling
motor just because it's like

it's such a pain in the ass.

But here we are,

aren't we?

And the drag chain is

so that my boat stays straight.

If you want to be a

environmentalist about it.

Say that it fuck it up.

I'll ask you.

Look around. And.

God damn it!

Feels good.

I think I'll probably miss those logs
up there.

It does look like this
thing is going to get nuked.

Holy shit.

This is fun.

I have not fished.

Nearly enough.

And way too long.

That's cool.

And this is pretty fast.

This is kind of the the most,

The water that will be the most difficult

without the trolling motor.

And for those interested in fish,

I'm just going to ignore all
the tangents I was just on.

The cadence of.

My casting. Like, here.

I'm bringing it over to sort of do a check
swing, make sure no one's following,

and then shooting line out of my back
cast on the log

there.

Swinging around,

shooting line out of my back. Cast.

And then my hand is directly on it.

Shooting line out the back.

Hold on.

So I'm not shooting on my forward cast,

which becomes key because

when you're starting to get into

the nooks and crannies,

you're

you're guessing when you're shooting line,

which you can get good at.

But it's it's so it's just inconsistent

because you can't control the slack.

And most of the time

you're not able to get your.

Left hand tight.

All right. We're going to start
the engine again and go fish.

I swear to God

just that scratch is an itch for me.

Everyone ready?

Put your seatbelts on. And.

The song of the day.

Today is.

Over.

It's celebrity. Over.

I can make you a celebrity overnight.

Why don't we

play some?

These hoes will like.

Something I don't know the words.

Anyways, back to.

The whole point of this band.

Come fishing with me.

Come do this shit.

It'll probably look and feel.

Oh my God.

If we have a day like today.

It does feel like this

thing is about to get fucking nuked.

If we have a day like today,

that's where you don't want to shoot line.

You want to be lasered in.

You just got to stay on your toes.

As, My boy Butch

from Cincinnati.

Let's say

just about being a man, Alice.

Now, he would say this.

And make shot

interesting situations.

He would.

He would show up to work.

Having had.

A couple beverages the night before.

But, God, he's such a fuck.

He was

an animal.

Hung over his shit.

And just.

He was a fucking mule.

It's that.

We had.

What a shot.

With the west side and the east side

and Cincinnati.

And I grew up in the East side.

And, you know, it's

as the the privileged.

A lot of private schools,
you know, you play soccer.

Some people played fucking football.

But it's like Division five or whatever.

Really good at lacrosse, obviously.

That's that's the East side.

And the West side was

you play football.

I want a bigger fly.

I think, you know.

You played football.

It's, you know, it's more blue collar.

And Butch is from the West side.

And it's just that West side

at West side strength, farm strength.

Not that.

I don't know if that's considered
racist these days because he didn't.

You know what I'm fucking talking about?

He's like. He was like, my size.

I was BS, too.

Not going to lie.

He had an older brother named bear

who used to beat him with a spatula.

And this was,

this is like a six person
landscaping company that.

My mother owned for a time.

My cousin worked there.

And in the summers in college.

Well, throughout my junior.

Senior year of high school, after I.

After my stint

working in the ice cream shop.

Kind of fish that bag.

I would work

with my cousin doing hearts
games and shit, and, man,

that was so fun.

I think that there's I, I've kind of.

Analyzed and and thought about.

I'm six years sober and.

Six and a half, I guess. And,

I've thought about why fly fishing

and tying really?

Like, that's.

It's such a part of fishing to me,

and I just.

I see it so fucking often

where I think
people who would otherwise be addicts,

but definitely, you know, addiction

and and recovering whatever.

Pick your poison

are in the the fly community.

And then you also see.

Different side of the same coin.

People who have substance
abuse problems. And.

I just

wonder, like what the you know, that,

to steal a psychology term, the dope of

or dope? PA

the nerd check the

the reward system pathway for time flies.

Because it really can be all encompassing

for many people. And.

There was a reason why
I thought of that with God.

I want this thing to get fucking nuked.

Reason I thought of that with,

doing hard scapes with Kyle

is because.

You, you know, you do this thing

like working on pavers or.

Or whatever. And

and while you're doing it, it's it's hard.

It's challenging.

You know, some of that work,
like the paver stuff is

it's both mentally and physically.

Demanding.

You can't just put, like,
you got to put in base and tamp

and then put it in the second
round of base and tap and,

you know, your base has to be X, Y, and Z.

I remember getting base,

which is easy, you fucking addicts.

I'm talking about like it's
sort of gravel,

like rough gravel with,

like a cement type.

It's kind of got a cement type feel to it.

It's like a really, really coarse cement.

I remember getting some base
and just being like,

oh yeah, it's the same thing

with getting feathers.

You know, the conventional world.

Maybe it's.

I got, I got some topwater lures there.

Oh, God. It just looks.

But the fly time thing is like,
man, you get.

I mean, whiting American saddles are.

You might be able to put a head

out on someone and pay for it.

What a shot.

With white American saddles

on an all white,

not even nice and all
white American saddle.

A dog shit. One.

Could be used as currency.

In a hit against your family member.

One that we.

You would be completely anonymous.

Let's get in there

like they do.

They do everything.

Kill.

You know, however you want.

Is it going to be.

Oh, I drowned with the plane with us.

Were gone. Or, like,

you know, a horrible dismembering.

I'm not the sicko. It's.

Whoever is doing
this is the one who has problems.

You could do disposal.

I think there's probably even some built
in protections around,

you know, paying off Johnny Law,
all of that

could be taken care of with one
Whiting American saddle white.

Now, you won't get the insurance
package with paying off the.

The fuzz.

If you pay,

if you have a grizzly or a dyed yellow.

Definitely not dyed treacherous,

but you can.

You could still get someone I anonymously

by any and use
a white American hand saddle.

There are whiting American roosters
and I don't for currency.

Now here I am switching flies.

For those listening,

I have opened a box that I got

on American plastic.com.

I think.

I'm not sure if

everyone's boy, my boy

Morgan.

Turn me on to these.

Or if.

Yeah, I don't know.

Anyways, I had, an art bin.

This thing looks so fucking good for.

I had an art bin from Michaels.

It's a little thing
to, you know, hold supplies and shit

for art, presumably. And.

The love I'm looking through flies.

Not that one, not that one,
not that one. But maybe this one.

And I think I'm maybe drunk.

Maybe a big fucking drunk.

And I just noticed

this is in there's different stage,
everyone.

All tires

everyone.

And I'm sure this happens
in the conventional world.

I started fishing,
you know, way, way harder

when I got caught up with the fly,
as you can tell.

That is not the only type of fishing
I like to do,

but I sort of went through these stages,

that haven't watched enough YouTube.

I can tell.

They're sort of universal,
but I do know that

the tires of the world,
you want to find the thing.

You want to find the thing that

is going to do it,

whatever the fuck that means.

No one ever knows but you do.

You know it. Then.

So you want to find that thing

and on many occasions, you find the thing.

And big shocker,

it isn't the thing,
but you fucking want it to be.

So this was the thing.

Hey, if you tied this sex dungeon.

Message me or something.

I found two of these

on the South Holston.

And there's some interesting hallmarks.

Deer hair where you get

deer hair is not very trimmed.

And then there's some ice up on front
in the front.

And crystal flash

right there.

It looks like some Palmer chenille

in the back and both marabou
and some hackle and crystal flash.

I mean, I can be picky about

finishing

with, with the thread

wraps on the eye, but, I like
I like seeing different shit I like,

you know, that's that's a fly
that's done a million times over. And

the way

whoever did that message me, did
it is different.

And that's cool.

So I found

I just saw that American Plastics

was the one that made I got.

I feel like Morgan told me
that someone did.

I can't take credit for that.

Okay.

Have the peach one of my hand.

And then for our other fly,
I think I still want to stay big

and go real big and go.

Looking and looking and looking.

I'm going to keep this guy out.

We'll keep him in the chamber.

Or and keep him in the chamber with her.

Or keep them in the chamber.

And so,
getting on to American plastics.com,

or whatever the fuck it is,

and seeing all of these little boxes,

you know, for a couple bucks apiece,
I was like, oh, dude, I'm going to.

I got a but I just want to just move here

and I was so

certain that,

I mean, this was a
this was it or at least it might be it.

It definitely was

that I got.

I don't fucking know, a big box of them.

Like I didn't have much money and I just,
you know, figured out and film I was.

And on.

And it would be good
for advertising involved.

And I just,
I was trying to do too many things.

I never followed through with it,
but I did use them as my own fly ins.

And then just using some foam from.

At this point,
I've gotten so many different types

of foam for various reasons, and,

using it for.

For fly boxes

or for some mice.

You don't want to get the two millimeter
foam.

You want to get the.

You can go on Amazon

and get.

Foam for,
you know, people to make fun of in

I would say pretend lightsabers.

But the seems like the individuals
making these lightsabers

might be offended
if I called them pretend I cosplay stuff.

Interesting crossover between

fly tying.

And make believe

activities that

may or may not be sexual in nature.

Why do I bring that up?

I'll tell you another thing.

When I started doing tail,
which is going to be available

very soon,
I just picked up a couple hundred.

I started doing block tail.

This is six months here.

After moving

divorce.

Starting my own business.

Fucking cat got surgery,

like $6,000.

Was closing in on the last of my money.

I was like, dude, I got to do it.

I got to, I got to save Bill.

Got to save those leg.

Oh, yeah.

That looks good.

But, yeah, I met this dude.

Who now runs, I think.

Hi, guys.

FG fly material. Hi, Guy.

Hi guys.

Maybe. Hi guys.

Hi guys.

Stone dudes.

Hi, guys.

Hey, guys.

Anyways, we met at,

Laffy Creative Fest in Maryland,

and Morgan did introduce me to him.

He came or he came over with.

I was there because

Richie from district wrangling shout out
Richie

was, you know, he'd been pressing me to
to do Instagram,

and I was just like,
man, the fucking fly tying egos out there.

It's just

he's like, yeah, dude.

But you have like, I'm buying your flies.

I was so fucking pumped about that, man.

How that started.

It's another interesting one.

But yeah, Morgan comes
up to me with this, like.

All. And you like pastel lime

lime sorbet

Bucked tail.

And it was like fluffy. Like.

Holy shit.

Dude.

What in God's name

is like.

Oh, dude, you got a.

You to go talk to this dude?

And so I met Ian, and,

we kind of connected over time,
and then some white shit.

And after I was here for, like, a year,
he was.

He had to do some other shit.

I wasn't going to be doing cocktail. And,

So I always.

Want to win?

Play some.

These hoes all like.

It's tough
when you get a song stuck in your head.

And you know,

I mean, I know a lot of that song,
I think, but not really.

Because when I start singing in my head,
I realize that, you know, trick Daddy's

moving hotter than an oven.

The weather is wall.

106 in Palm Beach.

Rap like, I don't know what the fuck

I want to think I do, but I don't.

I don't.

So that's what's happening in my head

while I'm cruisin.

So. I was like, goddamn.

Where the fuck did you get that?

He was like, back.

You got to go talk to even Ian.

And I was like, damn, all right.

Trolling motor.

Also.

Me being stupid.

Saying I'm only going to fish.

Slow water.

Well, I like the farmers.

What do you. You.

Fucking sue me.

It's a good lesson

in life with the jet boat.

Sometimes you want to get very close
to where you don't want to be.

In order to get where you do want to be.

Because right on that edge

is your jumping off point.

Yeah.

Half of the people watching and listening
were to stop.

At that point.

I would completely understand.

All right.

Getting getting pretty messy here.

That's okay.

I was like, goddamn.

I was like, Bro.

I was like, oh, dude.

I was like,

wow, Morgan, that cocktail looks very nice

and unique and full, and I like the color.

I it's like, So he said, go over
and fucking talk to him.

Yeah.

So whatever
the thing was, Arctic fox tails.

And I found a fuck pile of them,
which cheap.

And I was like, dude,

they sell this shit for, like

five bucks for a little cut

so I can fucking sell it

for half as much

or sell twice as much for five bucks,
okay?

And and make,
you know, 200 bucks off of Monday's.

And so I got him from a little farm
that was in 2020.

There were some,

changes to the fur market

after Covid,

which is

that was pretty interesting to experience,

have it impact my ability to get buck

tail and.

An Arctic fox tail. So.

Fired up

the old

Google

look up Arctic pole Arctic fox tails.

And what do you find

but plugs you find butt plugs.

You find a lot of Arctic fox tails.

Attached to butt plugs.

I mean, that's

so it's, you know.

People wanting to do the,

their names.

Their name is like.

Storm Fox or.

Lightning tail.

For, like.

Something about wood.

What's a fox?

What's that?

Connie. Oh.

Kind of cunnilingus. Fox.

Hunting. Michael Fox.

Come on the spot. There is something.

Okay, so.

All wrap.

That's another trolling motor

right there. Yup.

Yeah.

So you can get all sorts of.

But plugs and fly time materials.

I think cosplay is,

you know, that's, Okay.

Can I not touch it?

I must leave it as it is.

You know.

I try to think of ways that

some of this stuff could be preventable.

And unfortunately,

the only thing I can think of

for this one in particular

is have better,

newer stuff.

And don't be hard on it. So.

Both of those.

I find to be difficult.

Because I do not have better newer stuff.

And I am hard on my stuff.

So sometimes we run out of fucking audio.

It is really annoying though.

Because I end up having to do shit.

That's not the

annoying part, is just
it doesn't sound good.

And even when I do shit, which

sure takes time, but it's, you know, it's

this isn't the fucking.

Not moving fucking bags of cement.

It's just,

It's another step in the process,
but it doesn't end up.

It's not good.

Quality is not good.

And it's because you have to remove
background noise,

and you have to do a bunch of other shit
that, it takes

it takes part of

my voice away, which.

Even though I like my voice,

even though I hate my voice.

Even though I fucking hate my voice.

Even though I hate my voice.

Even though I'm writing.

Bye bye bye bye.

Papa, Papa.

Papa, Papa.

Maybe we'll just fucking leave that out.

Put this shit.

In my way.

Right there. There we go.

Now we're fucking cooking.

Did we get to the end of, Why? I.

I sound, but loves.

Yeah.

What did do you see

little spot that is
I think am I start fishing, asking for us.

There is.

Another spot

or some other spots.

I'd like to check.

And some of this.

You know, this is.

This color is from.

Hurricane Helene

depositing a fuck pile of mud.

What a shot

into the bottom of Watauga Lake.

So some of this becomes like, you know,
do I do this?

Do I do that?

Based on low water.

Because it's not.

It's not really based on low water.

Because when water is low
and or I should say, when water is muddy,

you have, loss of light penetration.

So it becomes a very different animal
fishing.

Low and clear is vastly different
than fishing.

Like, borderline opaque.

At the same exact level.

And there's,

you know, I've seen some risers
so they can see.

Should be.

They should want to eat.

You know, part of fishing.

And in doing a podcast,
which I'm pretty excited

that I'm calling it Fishing Adjacent,
which I wanted to call it something really

stupid, like, talking about fishing,
but mostly about other stuff.

And I was I kept thinking like, what is,

a synonym for

near kind of close to something, but,

you know, it's similar, but not.

And then I ended up
looking at fishing adjacent.

Just to see if anyone else had,

for whatever reason, decided
to create a podcast called that.

Or if there is, you know, a serial killer

who went by that name,

or a fucking bakery, whatever.

Whatever you want.

And, and I saw the definition,

which is, property

or an area that is sort of near a river,

like you're it's adjacent
to where you might be able to fish.

I was like,
damn, that's actually pretty appropriate.

I did use

AI to create the little logo,
but hey, man, I'm trying to do shit.

Trying to get shit done.

And hopefully, not.

Hopefully I'll get.

Ladies and gentlemen, this kid is playing

like he has a laser guided 12

decimal lat launch GPS

attached

to the fly and connected to his brain.

Yeah, I mean, you

you know,
you just know that's going to happen.

And it's not an easy one,

but, You gotta go for it, you know?

I mean, you're talking shit like that
because the upside.

That's where the glorious.

That's
where you can't be afraid to fuck up

and embarrass yourself
because there is upside.

I mean,

a lot of the times with

a lot of the times with my own fishing,

the upside is getting a cast,

like, near
something that I want it to be near.

And the downside is like possibly crashing
my boat

and, breaking

rods and threatening my livelihood. So.

There is every once in a while,

you should concern yourself with the
the risk reward

in life.

But look, I'm not your fucking mom,
so make your own decisions.

Everyone.

You're all big,
big boys and girls, so you can do it.

I promise.

Look at me.

Deflecting.

That's not deflection.

You're deflecting.

I'm not the one with the problem.

You are.

So I will get.

Commission.

Someone to do, some sort of logo.

And my intention
is to do a bunch of stuff with

me and Jack.

With Jack and me.

Both tying and fishing.

And then,

Maybe do some stuff with clients, too.

And have people pay me to,

tell them what they're doing wrong
while they partake

in both advertising and monetizing
in a different way via a podcast.

So if you want to call that anything other

than a good old fashioned American dream.

That would be completely understandable.

Now, I do have, fishing part
the next three days.

I do have, a good set of

regular clients.

That man, 4 or 5 years.

If anyone out there is,
I think, doing anything, be it guiding or

or tying or,

you know, farming.

Textile manufacture.

Well, if you're doing textile
manufacturing or farming,

you're kind of fucked.

It just keep doing

what you want to do, keep stay true
to the thing that you're doing that

that made
you say fuck the rest of this shit.

I'm going to do this.

You got to keep doing that.

And, you know,
keep take money along the way.

Don't be fucking stubborn.

Be open to maybe

that thing
not actually being what you ended up

wanting it to be, but this is ended up
being what I want it to be.

Guiding and doing so in a way that.

It looks
and feels maybe a little different,

maybe a little more challenging.

But is, you know, the more I talk about it
with.

Tap tap tap.

I swear to God, I fucking move.

Yeah.

We're just going to end up
going with the GoPro audio.

I think.

And that's okay. Boy.

That sure is annoying though.

It's like,

just let me fucking.

Trying to connect my rode

microphone. And.

So now all of a sudden,
it wants to connect.

But like any movement.

Any movement at all.

And it stops working

as it has now.

That it.

All right.

We're going to give this another.

Another college try.

Up. The old college try.

Yeah.

I want it to be something that I can
fix by,

you know, bending or.

Or, you know, pressing.

Harder or softer.

It kind of feels like that's what it is.

But then again,

I don't know.

See, because that type of thing.

Makes me think that it is.

And in fairness to my phone,

I will say that

it was on the bottom of the river and.

That isn't a good place

for a phone to be. So,

You know, we're probably

also going to arrive at a nice,
happy medium.

I don't know,

it might be condition dependent

with.

When I'm fishing.

And also

trying to record,

because right now, it's like the fishing

takes such a brutal hit.

Because I'm trying to do other stuff.

But we just.

You got to keep

keep on, keep it on.

Just say.

Keep trucking.

Is that your.

Was that your senior quote?

Was it?

Don't be embarrassed.

Be embarrassed because it was.

Be embarrassed
because of the person who you are.

Don't be embarrassed about the choices
you make.

Be embarrassed about.

The type of person you are.

Be embarrassed
about being the type of person

who makes those decisions.

That's the lesson

learned for everyone here today

is you should never be embarrassed

to be who you are.

You should, however, be embarrassed.

To be the type of person

who makes the decisions that you make

on a repeated basis.

Despite so much evidence.

Telling you that

you shouldn't make these decision.

Don't do that.

And then what do you do that?

So don't be embarrassed to be who you are.

Be embarrassed to act how you act.

And potentially, speak how you speak

and be embarrassed,

to know the people that you know

and be embarrassed to.

Be embarrassed about the type of person
you are, not who you are.

That make sense?

Oh. Good gravy.

Come on out, come on out.

Come on out now.

This is going to be

Steve Perry and the big units
I don't know I've.

That's from basketball Steve Perry

which when I saw

oh come on guys I look so fucking good.

When I saw that movie got I was probably,
you know 12

I was thinking it was Matthew Perry.

I should say

the late Matthew Perry.

So I feel like Steve Perry is from.

I could have look
that up in the last 20 years.

But I didn't.

Yeah, I feel like Steve Perry is,

Musician of some sort.

But I don't know.

My dog, my step dogs,

my girlfriend's dogs got out and.

I surfaced this with Jack,

but I'm just. I'm.

I'm revisiting it.

One shot to.

They're fucking unit chasing that

surfaced barely with Jack.

It's worth revisiting because,

you know, not only was it fucked,

but also.

This.

So the dogs got out and

I was finishing up

recording my podcast with Marv.

My daughter was not going to bed.

I was quite frustrated.

I went out to the workshop,
girlfriend came out.

She's like, we're the dogs.

I built a fence in the back.

I had heard them read, they're two German
Shepherds and they fucking broke through

the back part of the fence. And,

So I felt pretty

responsible,
even though I moved in there six months.

And they're they're just savages.

And. It's, it's like chicken wire fence,

and you just you bend that enough
and the things start to come apart.

So I think they were
they were slow rolling me, you know,

they would just go, oh, we're just
wrestling a little bit here and there.

But, you know, it's the same thing is

the movies where the, the folks in prison

just slowly chip away a little bit.

Take a little more another little spoon.

Or like they grind down a spork

to chip away at the wall.

And slowly

but surely, they finally get there.

So I was up

fucking late.

She was all,

you know, they're in drive mode
and they can't, you know,

they're not going to come home and blah,
blah blah.

I was like, dude, fuck that.

Which I'm not saying I'm right, but

it is my perspective,

which I do think is right,

that if they're she's again,
I mean, they're going to hear you,

but it doesn't mean anything to them
because they're in their fucking,

you know, they're in their zone.

I was like, yeah, but

tell me

that it is a 0.0 chance they hear me

and they don't come.

Or said another way, tell me I didn't.

I didn't sit there.

I wasn't sitting there saying,
okay, said another way.

Said tell me it's non-zero
or it is not zero.

Is that right?
Tell me I'm wrong. It's non-zero. Right?

There's a non-zero chance
they hear me and come.

She said, yeah, it is non-zero.

It's just it's pretty close to zero.

And I was like, well,
I'm fucking taking the non-zero.

I'm taking it every fucking time.

Whatever.

I mean, they didn't come, but

the older one.

Was on the back porch in the Warren.

And. I it just
I don't want to slow down that much.

So I'm taking a couple pieces
of chain off,

all of it.

So the older one was on the back
porch in the morning.

It's a juicy little fucking.

Whatever you want to call it.

It's a juicy little.

Variation right there.

And that structure.

Big one's on the back porch.

Ended up getting the little one.

Or, you know, the fucking 65 pound German
Shepherd.

The younger one got her

a couple doors down the next morning or,

you know, later that morning

and happened to be a house
that I was walking by

fucking yelling and in the backyard,
and I saying it was me.

And of.

No, it's because she

signed up for next door.

Did the door.

So it's definitely
the younger one is like a homebody.

She she is

if she doesn't get human affection
like, regularly.

Not just, you know, on a weekly basis,
on an hourly basis,

she gets fucking,

Very cute.

So it's the other one.

It's definitely the other one
that fucking ran off.

And. And the younger one follows.

And so this is like an older brother

or, you know,
your cousin who's home from college

and you're a senior in high school,
and you go out

to a house party with them and, you know,

he's telling you that we're going here,
that's going there.

You're doing beer bongs.

Maybe someone has a join.

There's some lines.

I'm not sure what now
you're doing ketamine and.

And then you wake up in your front yard.

And your cousin's been home

for two hours,
and he's like, I don't know.

I don't know what Phil is doing.

I've been.

He was with me at the party and like,
dude, and you were just doing ketamine.

It's your fault that I'm impressionable.

So the older black dogs
laying on the porch, I just see these ears

sticking up

and, like,
those are my girlfriend's fucking kids.

I mean, not she actually has a son now.

That's also mine.

But those are her babies.

And so, like,

and, you know, if kind of turn

into my babies to.

And so the

it was not a good, not a good situation

and I come out

my daughter of course had gotten up before
me, came and woke me up.

Can you just.

Go watch TV?

I'll be out in a little bit.

Came out like ten minutes later.

She's just watching TV,

and I see these two black years

sticking up.

You what?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Like we were prepared for them to be gone.

She smelled.

I mean, she must have put her nose, like,

in the den of a skunk, and,
I don't know, possibly had it.

Possibly was

like munching on it while it was spraying.

She still smells.

It's been two weeks.

She's had like four baths.

I got special shampoo.

Oh my God, those first couple

days were so bad.

It's.

You smell skunk like,

you know, through your car window.

That's that's one thing when you fucking.

I mean, Jesus, dude,
I don't know how she's fucking surviving.

She's a dog

when there's

that much of it, like, condensed.

It is fucking insane.

It's like

the air is sour.

And it's not like onions where you're

where it, like, burns in a sense,

it's.

But there is this, like, physical.

There's a physical feeling
that comes with it.

It's not just olfactory. It's not.

It's not just the smell of it.

It is when it's that potent.

I mean, I'm guessing there are.

There's an idiot or two out there.

Maybe you're smart and you got skunked.

I just don't know how that's know.

I'm sure there's someone out there

who has the personal experience
of being skunked.

I never have that.

That's the most I've ever smelled it.

The most potent I've ever smelled it.

And, wow,

dude.

Rough.

All right, well, I didn't catch any fish.

I am still going to fish more, but

I'm fucking exhausted and.

I'll save,
I'll save some steam for next time,

so come fish with me.

January, February, March.

Early March.

There's a couple weeks there. The,

We'll be fishing. Muskie.

I mean, come fish musky with me
fucking now.

I'm doing trout tomorrow
and muskie the next two days.

And Muskie runs through.

January, February, March, April.

I he really there's it's very few and far
between

where it's it's when they're spawning
that we're not fishing for them.

But even on the I'm in the south
like even.

In like August in low water. It's

the highest recorded temperature
I've seen on my boat in lower

sections of the the upper reaches was 76,

and most of the time it's like 72, 73.

So we've

it's pretty rare that we're seeing
I don't like 76.

It's pretty rare
that we're seeing high temperatures.

Temperatures beyond the, the low 70s.

So, yeah.

Hit me up.

Go. Get skunked,

I guess.

So, you out there?

We're going to cut to that departure.

When I actually stop,

I just realized that
I still have sound and

am appreciating that,

that the first half of this
might not actually have anything workable

because of GoPro and wind and other stuff.

So we're just going to keep going
with this right now

until either the sound cuts out or

who knows, maybe I catch a hog.

I was going to do something.

You know, the name of the podcast.

Just thinking.

Zach Galifianakis Between Two Ferns.

That's a swim blog.

So between two hogs.

Oh, yeah.

Dude.

You got some

dots?

That looks good.

But, yeah.

I just gasses me up

and, you know, same with the,
same with the tattle box

from the dude at the,
the Waze convenience store.

Here's a little

a little free trick.

You drag chain

and you fucking put it over there.

Yeah, just seeing people.

Experiencing people. Be nice.

Of course,
that'll make you feel good. But,

Seeing people do cool stuff.

You definitely,
definitely like to do that.

It's good for you.

It's good for the soul.

That's another like,

if you don't think
that ripping around on the quad.

And again,
even though I'm six years sober.

The fact that

he's got a tallboy.

Sure.

There's like responsibility, implications
and other things of that nature. But

that is so cool.

Do I want to do that?

Not necessarily.

I'm pretty happy with what I'm doing.

Pretty happy with,

with my life choices.

Do I think that that is very cool
objectively? Yep.

Oh my God, if he had a cigaret

hanging out of his mouth. Oh.

I might have swam over there and
just fucking begged him to be my friend.

Dude, please talk to me.

Don't even talk to me.

Just let me tell other people.

You don't even have to know my name.

Let me tell other people
that you're my friend

and give them 20 bucks.

I guess

which type of cigaret it was would be

any would do any would get the

the job done.

The job of being cool. But.

Yeah.

I think,

I mean, he's a marvel of like

Marvel bro.

Like.

That great fucking cool.

Parliament light.

Now we're talking about
a different person,

Marlboro Red.

It's a little tryhard and,

quite frankly,
pretty irresponsible these days.

That reminds me,
I haven't had nicotine in a hot minute.

Which is exciting for me.

That's exciting.

I do like to remember.

Oh, yeah.

I have, like.

At a minimum, 5 to 6

nicotine distribution vehicles at all

times. And.

The one I want.

I'd like to find.

Some.

I don't know if it's synthetic

nicotine, but.

I'd like to find some addictive chemical.

Oh, I have it.

It's on my person

in the pouch form.

Why don't we play Sundays whole like.

Twister.

You told him, right?

I can make use to anybody over
nine from one on 1 to 6 and pop.

It's just that.

In good news.

It's at least like, a a rap song

that I listen to.

Because oftentimes it is the theme song

to a show that my daughter watches.

Man, there was a hot minute.

Oh, hot.

Way hotter than the minute

that just elapsed
where I didn't have nicotine.

This minute was like weeks.

Weeks. I'm not fucking exaggerating.

Where I had puppy dog pals
stuck in my head.

Yeah.

The wind,

with.

With the no trolling motor,

with the fly fishing is is insane.

Why do we play some

these hoes or, like.

I'm just going to make a I mean, I'm

not catching anything over there
anyhow, so.

May as well just fish

into the abyss.

The fuck was I talking about?

I'm always interested in what's going on.

Behind the.

The eyes

of folks at the gas station.

It seems like,

Maybe.

Where I.

You know, my general life experiences
might add some color to this,

and I'm sort of talking this out,
like, why?

Why am I so interested about that?

Because I live in Johnson City, and

I need to get off this flat.

I lived in DC.

I grew up in Cincinnati, my suburb.

So the,

the individuals that I would see
at gas stations

in Arlington, Virginia, Cincinnati, Ohio,
and in Nashville,

Nashville, Tennessee,

which Nashville has seen in Cincinnati.

It's just,

you know, the areas, right?

If you go to the shell on Beach, Mont.

At 2:00 in the morning
in Cincinnati of 275,

you fucking know what
you're going to get if it's.

There's no secret there,

no surprises.

Well, everything's sort of a surprise.

It's shocking.

I wouldn't say it's a surprise.

So here

I think it's interesting
because that's everywhere.

It's like.

Not I also,

it's not like I live in a

super nice part of town.

It's not.

It's not.

It's not

like everywhere
is some fucking picture of Appalachia

out of a magazine. But,

You know,

I don't I don't live in the suburbs

or in one of the subdivisions.

There's actually, it's it's
kind of weird how

there's these pockets of subdivisions,

even in a small city.

It just it makes sense.

But it was sort of surprising.

So I guess, you know, when you see a dude

riding his bike in circles
one handed, playing the guitar

with the other hand, it's like.

At the

same time, one can wonder
what's going on behind the eyes there.

And also one might be able to say
with a certain degree of certainty,

there's not much going on behind the
like that's

riding the bike in circles
without a shirt on and also playing

a broken guitar
at a gas station at 2:00 in the morning.

Honestly, there doesn't need

to be more going on behind the eyes.

That's, That's a fucking lot.

I couldn't do it.

Yeah,
we're getting we're getting ripped apart

by this wind here, folks.

So we're going to put.

This,

couple more pieces of chain here.

And for anyone interested, like

you're advertising for guys you need and
not catch and finish, like, well, yeah.

See, I wouldn't be doing this on a trip.

I actually came out here to

to do this in particular.

And also to run the jet boat.

Because it's been

a couple weeks and temperatures
are getting cold and there's the

I hadn't disconnected the fuel line and,

I needed to get out of my fucking house.

But you might say, well, I would you.

Why would you not catch fish and seem
like such a fucking psychopath?

If the intent is to get people

to pay you to be on a boat,

presumably trapped on a river

about which they know nothing, and area
that you have described, with

examples of meth users
riding around bicycles,

like some sort of creepy
start to a horror movie,

I say, because I want to fish with those.

Be the people
that like what I just described.

That's who I want to fish with.

And yes,

I will take money from other people and

speaking very honestly,

try just as hard with them.

But I know there's enough.

I know there's enough of

the folks that like, cool shit.

Not that meth. And

you know, as I say it, not the meth.

And running around bikes at two
in the morning, 100% in charge is cool.

But like I'm saying that, I'm like,

there's a part of me that

says, well, actually,

that's that's pretty cool.

You know

the bald eagle up there?

Okay, now,

the second camera has died,
or the second battery has died.

That is when.

You catch fish.

Three for almost guaranteed.

So is math cool? Now?

Is it not cool?

Is it definitively not cool?

I'll leave you with that.

Why don't you think on that? Everyone?

See you next time.

Episode 3 - Ellis Fishes and talks about stuff
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